Dialogue with Divinity: Mira Kelley’s Interview with Johanna Carroll

Quick answer: In this Johanna Carroll interview on Dialogue with Divinity, Mira explains how past life regression helps you understand your purpose and the fears that block it. She describes fear as a messenger, karma as a chance to choose differently and guilt as the true opposite of love, and she invites you to own your worthiness so love can reach you.

Johanna Carroll has spent more than 30 years as a spiritual counselor, author and radio host. On her show, Dialogue with Divinity, she invited me to talk about past lives, purpose, fear and love. It was one of those warm, easy conversations where two people who love this work get to explore it together.

You can listen to the full interview here:

Below are the ideas from our conversation I return to most often, followed by the full transcript.

How did Mira first reach Wayne Dyer?

Johanna opened by asking how I connected with Dr. Wayne Dyer. Before I reached out, I didn’t know him personally, and neither did anyone I knew. I was still working as an attorney. As I told Johanna, “it was truly inspiration and guidance from spirit”.

I battled my own sense of inadequacy for a long time before I wrote to him. What moved me was a simple decision: if spirit was ready to work through me, I should show up and be in service. He responded, and the session we did together became part of his book Wishes Fulfilled. You can hear the two of us talk about it in my conversation with Wayne Dyer.

What is your purpose, according to past life regression?

Johanna asked why so many people long to know their purpose. My answer is that it is “the fulfillment of our value as souls here on Earth”. We are here to create, and to know ourselves through what we create.

When someone asks me about purpose, “I give people the inner and the outer answer.”

• The inner answer is shared by every soul. We are here to learn to direct our thoughts and emotions, so we can create the experiences we’re looking for.
• The outer answer is unique to you. It means expressing your gifts and being, in my words, “the puzzle piece that you were made and created by the divine to be”.

In a regression, I explore both. We look at how you contributed in other lifetimes and how that relates to your gifts now. Then we look at the fears that stand in the way. I shared the story of a writer who had always written for others and kept putting off her own book. In a regression she saw a lifetime in which being seen felt dangerous. Releasing that block gave her a sense of ease and the knowing that this is a different lifetime.

For more on this theme, read how past lives relate to your life purpose.

Why do we feel fear before a big change?

Johanna asked whether the blocks people bring to me are really fear. They are. We dress fear in different clothes, yet at its core it’s the fear of the unknown, of shedding the old you and becoming someone new.

“Fear is just a messenger.” I see it as your Higher Self letting you know that something wonderful is waiting on the other side of a false perception you’ve been holding.

I also pointed out that in the body, fear feels much the same as excitement. As I said on the show, “It’s the same energy, the same message from the divine”. The filter we see it through is what changes. So my encouragement is always the same: step forward, work through what’s holding you back and trust the bridge you’re crossing. My article on how to trust the unknown goes deeper.

Do people discover they were someone famous?

Hardly ever. Most people experience ordinary lives, and those lives carry exactly the insight they need. If someone arrives with expectations, I ask them to leave those outside, because “you will always be given what will serve you in your highest good.”

How do you know if a past life memory is real?

Johanna described a skeptical TV host who sat up after his session and asked whether it had really happened. I hear the same question often. I invite people to notice the emotion they felt, because those feelings are real.

Then I offer a different question. Just ask yourself, “How is this relevant?” What people experience always gives them a piece of information that helps them move forward. If you’re curious about how a session unfolds, start with what past life regression is.

What is karma, really?

Many people picture karma as a dark cloud or a heavenly scorecard. I see it differently. “Karma is really the opportunity to balance, the opportunity to do things differently”. It’s a chance to wake up in the moment and steer your life with awareness.

The same patterns that repeat across lifetimes repeat within one life too, around relationships, money and work. Once you see the pattern, your choices determine what happens next. You can read more in Is Karma Punishment?

Why is it so hard to receive love?

When Johanna asked why people don’t feel they have the love and support they need, my answer was short: “Because they need to open up to their own worthiness.”

We talked about over-giving, and how easy it is to believe that if you give enough, you finally earn love. Your existence is proof enough of your worth. In my words, the very existence of your desire “is reason enough for you to receive what you want.”

I also shared that “by giving you receive and by receiving you give.” When you always do everything for a partner, you deny them the joy of supporting you. As you settle into your own worth, you naturally attract someone whose intent matches yours.

What is the opposite of love?

Most people say hate. I believe “the true opposite of love is actually guilt”. Guilt tells you that you aren’t worthy of what is already your essence. When you release it, you can open your arms like a small child and simply own your lovability.

Do we reincarnate with the same people?

Often, yes. People recognize a partner, a parent or a child from another lifetime, usually in the life that’s most relevant to what they’re working through now. And as I told Johanna, “love always continues to bring us together, life after life, just because it’s so good to be together.” You’ll find more in Do We Return With the Same Groups or Families?

What inspired Beyond Past Lives?

My clients. I told Johanna, “I’ve learned so much from my clients.” Their sessions became the heart of my book, Beyond Past Lives. You can explore more of my writing on reincarnation on my past lives page.

Frequently asked questions

Who is Johanna Carroll?

Johanna Carroll is a spiritual counselor, author and the host of the radio show Dialogue with Divinity, where she interviewed Mira Kelley about past lives.

What does Mira Kelley talk about in this interview?

Past life regression and purpose, fear as a messenger, karma as a chance to choose differently, worthiness, guilt and reincarnating with the people we love.

Can past life regression help me find my purpose?

Mira uses regression to explore the gifts you’ve expressed in other lifetimes and the fears that block you, so you can understand your purpose today.

Do most people discover a famous past life?

Rarely. Most people see ordinary lifetimes, and each one carries the insight that serves them.

How can I work with Mira Kelley?

You can book a private session or explore her programs through the Work With Me page.

Ready to explore your own past lives and what they reveal about your purpose? Book your 1:1 session with Mira

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This conversation shares personal spiritual experiences and is not medical advice. Please talk with a qualified professional about any medical concern.

Full transcript

Cleaned for readability from the X-Zone Broadcast Network recording. Network ads, station IDs and filler words are removed, and Mira’s words are kept as spoken. Passages that couldn’t be heard clearly are marked [unclear].

Johanna Carroll: The intention of Dialogue with Divinity is to really bring you the wisdom keepers of our time. For over 30 years I’ve been a spiritual counselor, author, radio and TV host, and I’ve been extremely privileged and blessed to meet some really fabulous people. Our guest today, obviously, is one of them. If you’ve ever wondered about past lives and how they affect your decisions today, make sure you keep listening to this show.

We’re going to be talking to Mira Kelley. She is a world-renowned expert on past life regression, and she is the best-selling author of Beyond Past Lives. She facilitates workshops, retreats and individual consultations, and speaks around the world, promoting the healing and transformation available through regression. Stories from Mira’s sessions are included in Wishes Fulfilled by Dr. Wayne Dyer and in Miracles Happen by Brian Weiss. She also can be found on Oprah.com, as she was a guest on that show. Learn more about Mira and how you can work with her at her website, mirakelley.com. Mira, welcome to Dialogue with Divinity.

Mira Kelley: Hello, Johanna. I’m so happy to be with you. I always love our conversations.

Johanna Carroll: I know. You’re one of my favorite guests. I’m going to tell the world something that you told me a long time ago, and it really blows my mind, because the way that Mira really got launched onto the world stage was she had to convince Dr. Wayne Dyer to let her do a past life regression. I know that he talked about this a lot and eventually invited you to co-present with him on that world stage, so you’ve got to tell our listeners, because it’s an interesting story. How the heck did you get this to happen?

Mira Kelley: I have to tell you, it was truly inspiration and guidance from spirit, because before reaching out to Dr. Dyer, I did not know him personally, nor did I have friends who knew him personally. For me, he was just a TV show I’d seen on PBS or a book I’d read. There was no personal connection. During a conversation with a friend, I had this moment of inspiration and intuition that Wayne Dyer was ready to heal from the leukemia he had publicly announced at that time he had.

My friend encouraged me to reach out, and of course I was very shy about it, because at that time I was working as an attorney. Eventually, after a whole lot of battling with my own sense of inadequacy around this, not feeling like I have anything much to offer, I decided that if there’s a way for me to help, and if spirit is ready to work through me, I should show up, right? I should be in service.

Johanna Carroll: Yes, definitely.

Mira Kelley: And lo and behold, I did reach out, and Dr. Wayne Dyer responded back. And not only did he and I connect in the life-changing session that he writes about in his book Wishes Fulfilled, but also that affected his health tremendously. At the time of his death, the autopsy of his body showed that there was no leukemia in his body.

Johanna Carroll: Wow.

Mira Kelley: So that was one miracle he and I created together through our work together. But also, at the same time, I was able to introduce someone who has subsequently become a very close friend of both him and me, Anita Moorjani. And so through our conversation, and through me introducing Anita to him, now Anita Moorjani is able to inspire the world with her miraculous story of healing her stage four cancer through having a near-death experience.

Johanna Carroll: That’s amazing. I don’t think I’ve ever told you this, but about 35 years ago, before I even really started my private practice of counseling, I decided that I needed a past life regression, because I had some stuff that was kind of bothering me, and I had been through a not very pleasant divorce. And I thought, I need to find out why in the moment I am acting a certain way. So I thought, OK, let me do this. I actually experienced two past life regressions myself, and they answered so many questions for me.

And I always feel that this is not necessarily going back and discovering if you were Cleopatra or something like that. Really, the benefit for me personally, and I hope for everyone with past life regression, is that it really helps you understand, in the present moment, why you may be reacting to something, and whether it really belonged to then or belongs to now. So very quickly, I want everyone to understand that when someone does a past life regression, they’re really trying to focus on their purpose in the present moment. And I know, Mira, you talk a lot about this whole journey of discovery of purpose that people are really seeking. Can you add to that?

Mira Kelley: Oh, most definitely. So the beauty of past life regression is… I love regression, because it goes to the core of whatever the question is, be it a romantic relationship, be it a health issue like Dr. Wayne Dyer’s, be it a bigger question of emotional issues and struggles, physical issues, whatever the purpose is. Whatever the problem, we can use past life regression to understand the pattern, to see it from a different point of view, so that the mind can see it.

[Break]

Johanna Carroll: Hi, everybody. This is Johanna Carroll. You are listening to Dialogue with Divinity, and today we are speaking with Mira Kelley, who is the author of Beyond Past Lives, and we are talking about past life regression. Before we went to break, we were talking about the value of past lives, that it really helps you redefine your purpose in a brand new way. Why do you think, Mira, that so many people really have this burning desire to know about their life purpose? Why is that important or valuable?

Mira Kelley: Because it’s the fulfillment of our value as souls here on Earth, right? We’re given the right and the responsibility as a soul to be gods in the physical: to create, to manifest, to use our mental energy, which is simply thoughts and emotions, to create our experiences. And so we all have this burning desire within our hearts to fulfill that which is us, to put it out, to manifest it, and through our creation to know more of ourselves, to experience more of ourselves. So truly, I believe that is the reason why it is the biggest question we all have: what is my purpose?

Johanna Carroll: Do you think that the purpose really has to do significantly with their spiritual mission, or are they two different things?

Mira Kelley: When people ask me what is my purpose, I give people the inner and the outer answer. Much like we speak about the inner mystery and the outer mystery, the inner answer goes to the simple fact that we are all here as souls in order to learn to manipulate mental energy, in order to learn to be in control of our thoughts and our emotions. Which sounds easy, but if we actually try, it requires focus and effort, and truly overcoming our limitations, our limiting perceptions of ourselves, in order to create the experiences that we’re looking for. So I believe that’s the inner answer, why each one of us is here. We all have, as souls, that common shared goal.

And from there on, how we express that in the world is unique for each and every one of us, because we have different gifts, different skills, different talents and abilities. And so the outer answer to the question of what is my purpose is to be your true self, to express that which is you in the physical, to be the puzzle piece that you were made and created by the divine to be, in order to support all that is around you, to serve it and to be served by it.

Johanna Carroll: I get asked this question lots of times too in my private practice, and maybe my answer is a little more simplistic, but I always say you’re here to experience life as a human being. And as a spiritual being, you’re here to be inspired and motivated by the divine, when we listen to that inner voice, as you’re saying, the inner mystery, tapping into that inner consciousness of the eternal universe, and be inspired and then be motivated to do something. We really have the ability in the experience to change something about ourselves, and therefore change our lives.

So when you talk about the inner mystery, will you tell our listeners a little bit more about what you’re referring to? What is really that wealth of information that’s going to be found in that inner mystery? And do you find it by doing past life regression?

Mira Kelley: By the way, I really love your answer. So well said, so beautifully put together and expressed. When people come and do a past life regression with me in order to understand their purpose, I use regression in a way to give them two answers. The first answer is: what is my purpose? What are the skills, the talents, the abilities? Because, Johanna, so many people are stopped at that very first step: “But what do I have to offer? I’ve got nothing to offer.” Or they have been so disconnected from listening to that inner voice that they just don’t hear anything, and devalue it very quickly for it to make any sense to them. And so that’s one of the things we explore: how in other lifetimes they have contributed, and how that relates to who they are and how they contribute in this life.

And something else I do with people, when they question what they are here to do on Earth, is to help them explore the blocks to living their purpose, because sometimes people do know what their purpose is, but there are fears. Just today I worked with a lovely woman: “I have so much to offer, and I am a writer, that’s what I do, and I have been procrastinating on writing my own book. There’s so much I can share and tell people, but it’s very easy to be the writer who stands behind somebody’s name, like a ghostwriter, and so much harder to have my name on the cover of a book.” And so she explored a lifetime where she saw herself being very much scared of people, of what people could do to her, of the danger of actually being seen and being recognized. Releasing that block gave her such a sense of freedom and ease, and such a sense of knowing: this is a different lifetime, of course I’m safe, of course I can create what I’m looking to create, and the divine will support me in that. So that’s the second way we work with people, to remove whatever blocks stand in the way for each and every one of them.

Johanna Carroll: I have to ask you a question. This is Johanna Carroll, for those of you who just tuned in. We’re speaking to Mira Kelley. She is one of the top experts in the world on past life regression, and her book is Beyond Past Lives. You really need to check it out. And you are listening to the X-Zone Broadcast Network. So Mira, to me, passion and purpose always go together. In your example, you really lit the fire under this woman’s passion. What about you? For those of you who listened to the introduction at the beginning, Mira was an attorney. So how did you go from being an attorney in the outer world, servicing that world, to igniting your own personal passion for doing past life regression and being an expert? I’m really curious. How do you go from A to Z? How did that happen for you?

Mira Kelley: It was quite a jump, right? And it wasn’t a very easy jump for me. I had quite a lot of questions about whether I could do this work, whether there is any value in me serving the world through this, and so on and so forth. But the way I came into past life regression was when I was a kid. I experienced my very first regression when I was a teenager. It was truly profoundly impactful, and it gave me such a deep understanding of my purpose as a soul, my understanding of who I am. And coincidentally, it removed my fear of dying. I didn’t expect that, but lo and behold, seeing how your spirit leaves the body was quite an experience.

As you can imagine, that stayed with me. And years later, when I developed a very painful physical condition that was not improving through the traditional methods offered by my health care practitioner, after a whole year of struggling and trying, I was told: you either need to have a very painful surgery, or you need to learn to live with chronic pain. In my desperation, I remembered doing a past life regression, and I decided, why not? And that regression actually healed me, literally overnight. The next morning, after experiencing another lifetime that was very much related to my health challenge at that time, the pain was gone. And that allowed me to open up to the possibility that maybe I can serve the world through this. But then it took a few years for me to actually really trust that calling, and I’m glad I did.

Johanna Carroll: I think people always need proof. Whether you want to call it scientific, empirical proof or whatever, people want to know: if I do this, can I have a sign? Can it be validated somehow that I’m on the right path? And obviously for you, your experience was literally physical. I think mine was more emotional than anything else. But with physical and emotional release, there’s a tremendous amount of lightness that comes along with that, and of course we’re releasing a tremendous amount of fear. So first of all, bravo to you. You and I have a very similar story; we’ve talked about this before. I made the leap of faith from corporate America. For me, my first client, I think the universe just shoved them in front of my face and said, here it is. And you took the leap of faith, and then you really pursued Wayne Dyer professionally, which was just mind-blowing to me. So bravo to you for that leap of faith.

Fear is such a paralyzing energy. Do you think, in your experience with people who are coming to you, these blocks that you’re talking about are virtually blocks of fear? Can you give us a few little minutes on that?

Mira Kelley: Absolutely, I agree with you. We dress it differently. Everybody has a different fear, a different experience of it, but at its core it is fear: the fear of the unknown, the fear of becoming something else, the fear of shedding the old you and becoming a new you. And I always tell people, this fear that you’re experiencing is not bigger than you. Fear is just a messenger. It’s your Higher Self, your inner self, the divine, speaking to you and saying: if you move through this false perception that you’ve created of yourself and of life and what’s possible for you, on the other side of it there is going to be that Garden of Eden, that extraordinary experience that will feel so blissful, so joyful, so fulfilling. So go for it.

And that’s the reason why, in our body, fear physically feels much the same as excitement. It’s the same energy, the same message from the divine, just being filtered through negative perceptions or through a clear filter of the possibilities. And so because of that, I always tell people, go for it. And I love this quote from [unclear]. He says, “The unknown has never betrayed me.” In other words, allow yourself to step forward and work through whatever is holding you back. Use past life regression to work through what’s holding you back, and trust that there will be something else on the other side of this bridge that you’re crossing. There will be a greater life, that lightness that you’re talking about, Johanna.

Johanna Carroll: You know that one of the greatest teachings of course is in the Bible, when Jesus was tempted by the devil. Metaphysically, the translation of that is: when you look the devil in the eye, he’ll disappear. “Get thee behind me, Satan.” Satan is considered in many teachings to be the lower energy, the lower vibration, which is fear. So the simple teaching is: when you look fear directly in the face, when you face your own fears, it no longer has dominion over you and no longer has power over you. It basically dissipates, and then you’re not so frozen or paralyzed.

We’re going to go to break in a little bit, so I’m just giving you fair warning. For those of you who are listening, this is Dialogue with Divinity on the X-Zone Broadcast Network. This is Johanna Carroll. We’re speaking to Mira Kelley. She’s really known internationally for her work, for Beyond Past Lives, which is her amazing book, which you can find on amazon.com. And let me tell you again where her website is. It’s real simple, it’s her name: M-I-R-A-K-E-L-L-E-Y dot com. [Network announcement omitted.]

So we were talking in the beginning about passion and purpose, and the blocks, which we know are fear and false perception. So very quickly: do people come to you with a false expectation that they’re going to discover they were someone really famous in another lifetime? Has that happened?

Mira Kelley: I have to tell you, actually, hardly…

Johanna Carroll: We’re going to hold that thought, Mira. We’re going to go to break. We’ll be right back.

[Break]

Johanna Carroll: Hi, everybody. It’s Johanna Carroll. Welcome back. It’s Dialogue with Divinity, and we’re speaking with Mira, of Beyond Past Lives. If you’ve ever been curious about past life regression, who you were in another lifetime and what that has to do with your life right now, please listen to this show and go to Mira’s website, which is mirakelley.com. Before we went to break, Mira, we were talking about false expectations. Someone comes to you for past life regression, they’re really excited about it, and they think that maybe they were this famous person, and then they find out they were maybe a milkmaid in the country, or they really did have a good life. What are you seeing with that? What’s the experience been for a lot of the people you work with?

Mira Kelley: Most people actually, just like you said, have experiences of other lifetimes where they have very regular and normal lifetimes. If a person comes with an expectation, I always make sure to tell them: listen, leave those outside, because you will always be given what will serve you in your highest good. People are actually always very open and very good about doing that. I love how you phrased the question, but truly, it hardly ever happens.

Johanna Carroll: I have to tell you, when I lived in Sedona many, many years ago, I was contacted by MTV. After I had my own experience of past life regression, I had clients who started asking for it, and I thought, well, then I’d better get trained in this. I listen to what the universe tells me to do. So I went out and got some training. MTV called up. I’m not sure if you remember the rock group Guns N’ Roses?

Mira Kelley: Sure.

Johanna Carroll: The guy who was the head of Guns N’ Roses, and of course right now that totally escapes me, what is his name? Oh, Axl Rose. Axl Rose had come to Sedona, and he’d had a past life regression. Apparently it really changed his life. I’m not sure it changed it to make him a better rock and roll star, but it definitely changed his life on a personal level. MTV was really curious about this. They called me, and they came. It was fun, with the whole crew. The first thing the host says to me is, “I don’t believe in this.” I said, “OK, you don’t have to. Are you at least open and receptive?” We did this regression outside in a garden, over a bed of crystals. That within itself, I knew he was going to feel something, if nothing else. Anyway, it was really amazing what he experienced. After we were through, and they recorded the whole thing, he sat up and said, “Did that really happen?” I said, “You have to tell me. It was your experience, not mine. You reported to me what was going on.” He didn’t quite know what to do with that. He was kind of shocked. So I guess I’m wondering, how do you handle the naysayers who say, I’m going to do it, but I’m not sure I really believe in it? Have you ever had that happen?

Mira Kelley: I say pretty much the same thing to people. I ask them, how do you feel about it? Inevitably the question comes: oh my God, could it have been this amazing? But inevitably they go to the emotions: wow, these were real emotions. Look at the tears; my face is still wet from the tears.

The other answer I give to people is: all potential and possibilities exist in the quantum field. All lifetimes, all experiences are out there for you. What you do during regression is you tap into this awareness, this knowledge. It’s not your imagination picking it up out of the power of your great mind being able to imagine this. It’s really that you’re just becoming aware of it for the first time. And there’s always a sense of relevancy. That’s why I tell people: rather than asking “Is this real?”, just ask yourself, “How is this relevant?” What people experience is always relevant. It always gives them an answer, a piece of information that unlocks them so they can move forward.

Johanna Carroll: I like what you spoke about, potential and possibilities, because even in doing a spiritual intuitive session for someone, you’re tapping into that quantum field you mentioned, of the divine plan, where all information is stored in the Akashic library. There are some things in the divine plan that I refer to as absolutes. Some people say it’s fate or destiny; it’s going to happen. Yet in co-authoring, all of us co-authoring our own divine plan or our own script, we did leave room for free will choice. That’s where the potential, the possibilities and the probability come in. And then the universe says, OK, through regression, through a session, whatever, we’re going to give you a glimpse into the divine. The rest of it is up to you. Now, you can sit on your hands and do nothing, or you can apply the law of action. Do you ever get any follow-up or follow-through feedback from people who say, based on my regression, this is what I’ve done, and this is how my life has changed? What’s your feedback been? I would imagine it’s pretty fabulous.

Mira Kelley: It really is. I love it when I hear back from people who tell me: this is the physical condition I healed. This is how I was able to release the challenges with my father or with my mother, and look what an amazing relationship we have. Or, I was finally able to sort out the relationship with my former partner and put an end to this back and forth we were having. In other words, whatever their question is, they come back and they say, this is really amazing, I’m so grateful. That makes my work so enjoyable, because it’s truly the ability to witness people changing and making better choices, more empowered choices in their life, that gives me such a deep sense of meaning and fulfillment.

Johanna Carroll: For those of you who are listening: if you’ve ever had the sense, on a behavioral level or in your experience of life, that you keep hitting the repeat button, you keep doing it over and over again. We all know the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Well, that’s not going to happen. The value, as I stated when we started the show, Mira, for me personally, and I think for most people, is that it really is an aha moment: oh my gosh, this is why I react a certain way. This is why I behave a certain way. It’s an old memory that I have an opportunity to review. I’m holding these emotional memories in the DNA of my body, and I have the ability now to move through it and beyond it, so I’m not stuck on the repeat button.

We talked a little bit about the law of action. Some people really are averse to change; they’re comfortable with chaos. They really are. But I don’t think most people want to be suffering. So in order to go from the repeat button to doing the past life regression, why is applying the law of action really important? Everyone who’s listening, I want you to really pay attention to this. Why is it important to do something different?

Mira Kelley: This ties in so well with what you said earlier about insanity, because another word we have for that repeat situation is karma, right? People feel that they’re victims of past energies, of past lives, and so they feel there’s this big, dark cloud hanging over them that they cannot overcome. But it’s not that somebody’s sitting in heaven keeping tabs on how well you do in life: hopefully in your past life you didn’t create too much karma, hopefully in the next life you learned a little more. It’s not like that. Karma is really the opportunity to balance, the opportunity to do things differently, the opportunity to be actually awake in the moment, driving the train of your life, the vehicle of your life, forward, and to be fully alert to the choices you’re making, fully alert to the situation and where it will take you.

And we experience the same in this life, right? In our present life, the same repetitive pattern around relationships, around money, around work. All it takes is the awareness of saying: wait a minute, I understand the pattern. I understand how it connects with other lifetimes, past and future. I understand the bigger vision. But I also understand that my action is what determines the way forward. Like we were speaking about earlier with free will, the ability to choose and the ability to act make it so critical for us to be fully alert and fully aware, and not to allow even a single thought to slip by our awareness without it being the thought we actually want to offer, because that’s what brings the experiences back to us as mirrors, to show us what it is that we’re putting out.

Johanna Carroll: Yeah. And I say this a lot: the people who show up in our lives are a reflection of your own divinity. Your own divinity doesn’t mean you flying around on a cloud eating chocolates and everything is perfect. As you talked about, we live in these dimensions of spiritual, mental, emotional and physical. So your own divinity is going to reflect the high points and the low points. And so you have an opportunity. Like I always say, you can give yourself a karmic kick in the butt, or the universe will give it to you. You have an opportunity to move out of that victimization, poor me, nothing’s good in my life, there aren’t any good men out there, that whole script from the Piscean age, into tremendous awareness and value in the Aquarian age, which is about love, wisdom, compassion and understanding. It’s not for anyone else. You’ve got to start with self-love and self-awareness first. And that journey down into the soul through regression really allows you to do it in a very safe and secure environment.

Let me ask you another question, and then we are going to take a quick break. By the way, this is Johanna Carroll. You are on the X-Zone Broadcast Network, and we are listening to Mira Kelley talking about Beyond Past Lives. What inspired you to write your book?

Mira Kelley: The incredible experiences I had with clients. I’ve learned so much from my clients. I feel like I’m on the edge of consciousness unfolding into new dimensions every day.

Johanna Carroll: And the book can be found on your website and also on amazon.com, is that right?

Mira Kelley: Yes, truly anywhere people buy their books. Very easy to find.

Johanna Carroll: So really and truly, people, all you have to do is type in M-I-R-A-K-E-L-L-E-Y and you’re going to find Mira Kelley all over the internet. Before we go to break: I think all of this desire, this quest, this journey, is to rediscover not just our divinity but what we are made from, which is love. And I think a lot of people feel that they’re going to find that through another person, or an experience, or an event. So this journey of love into past life regression is a journey of discovery. Just really quickly before we go to break: why don’t people feel that they have the love and the support they really need?

Mira Kelley: Because they need to open up to their own worthiness.

Johanna Carroll: That’s interesting. When you say worthiness, does that mean how they value themselves, or how they think the world values them?

Mira Kelley: It’s both, isn’t it? And allowing for that lovability to be reflected back once they own their worthiness.

Johanna Carroll: I always say that love pours the soul into the body, and it’s the Scotch tape of heaven and the Velcro of the universe. It’s a state of being. It’s a state of divine wholeness. It really has nothing to do with another person, yet hopefully when someone is doing a past life regression, they understand that they’re going to discover that well of health and well-being for themselves. We’re going to take a really short break. This is Johanna Carroll. You’re listening to Dialogue with Divinity, and we’ll be right back.

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Johanna Carroll: Hi, everybody, welcome back. It’s Johanna Carroll, host of Dialogue with Divinity. We’re going to wrap up our show today with Mira Kelley, who’s really an international expert on past lives. Her book is Beyond Past Lives, so we really encourage you to go on the internet and check it out. It’s filled with amazing information and stories. Mira, we were talking about love before, and we know that the polarities, the extremes, are love and fear. Why do people hesitate? And have you ever actually had the experience of someone coming in and the past life regression didn’t click, it didn’t work on some level?

Mira Kelley: Very rarely does it happen that a person doesn’t have the experience. It usually has to do with expectations, because they’re simply so excited about it and so much need it to work. So it happens very rarely. And if they try again, of course it does happen, because it’s something everybody can have as an experience. I really loved our conversation about love earlier, and what we’re speaking of now has a lot to do with simply being able to open up, to trust, to receive, and to be willing to be guided.

Johanna Carroll: Yeah. I don’t know if it’s because we’ve got such a puritanical background on some level that it’s easier to give than it is to receive. And yet you can’t really live a balanced, holistic, harmonious life unless you give yourself the love and permission to not always be giving, but also receiving. I’ve had a lot of clients, and I know you probably have too, particularly with relationships, who are very disappointed. They feel that they’re giving and giving and giving so much love, so much time and all this other stuff, and they don’t feel that they’re receiving it back. And yet there’s another piece that says: if you really understood yourself on some really deep, profound level, which obviously you receive through a past life regression experience, you would know that you’re probably over-giving. It doesn’t mean you’re selfish if you hold back; you’re serving your own soul. And then you can have more balance and harmony, and in the magnetic field draw a relationship that’s more compatible, balanced and holistic, that’s serving the soul of the relationship. So do you think people get confused with “if I give, give, give,” whether it’s time, money, energy, a lot of sex, whatever? Is there a misconception there, do you think?

Mira Kelley: Most definitely. And the misconception is that if I over-give, now I have earned it; now I deserve to receive it. In other words, the fear is that if I don’t earn it, I’m not worthy of it, I don’t deserve to receive it. And of course it’s not true. Your very existence, the very existence of your desire for that which you want, be it money, be it a relationship, be it whatever, is reason enough for you to receive what you want. Because remember, God put you here on Earth out of the [unclear] of love for you. In other words, before you were created, [unclear] your validity, your value as a soul. So your value and your worth are already given. The proof of it is in the very fact that you exist. So from there on, every desire that you have is worthy of being met. You just have to receive that truth, rather than chase after it so you can deserve the love you desire, be it financial, be it emotional, be it whatever.

And eventually there comes a time, I hope, through inner work, be it through regression, be it through doing a session with you, Johanna, or be it through whatever tools you use, when you come to the declaration that you are enough, that you’re worthy, that you’re valuable. And then the next step is to really understand that by giving you receive and by receiving you give. Because think about it: if your lover is never able to receive anything you offer, you feel so unmet. And that’s exactly what you’re doing to them when you over-give, when you’re the one who always does everything, as opposed to allowing them to step in, feel their creativity, feel their heart opening and be divine in the expression of supporting you. And then, just like you said, Johanna, eventually there comes a time when you feel so balanced within you, so comfortable and easy in your own worth and your own sense of loving yourself, that naturally you attract a partner who is going to love the relationship into being. In other words, their intent is going to match your intent. But when you start off from a place of lack, of needing to fill a gap and a void, you’re going to attract a partner who is also working through a similar lack and void in their own experience.

Johanna Carroll: That’s true. There’s a law, the law of equals, which basically says like attracts like in the universe. We always hear opposites attract, but supporting what you’re saying, I really feel that energetically you attract what you are. I know for myself, I was divorced and single for a long, long time. I dated, and finally, not that I gave up or was mad at men or anything like that, I just reached a point in my life where I said, I’m just going to surrender to the will of the divine. I’m also going to shift my consciousness in terms of my vision, my perception of my life, with or without partnership. And that was that I would be OK aging gracefully. I had already been married. I had two children. I was divorced for 29 years. I loved, loved, loved my work of service, loved where I was living, loved my friends, loved my social life. There really wasn’t anything missing. And so I decided I’m just going to surrender. And I remember waking up in the morning, Mira, and I was just so happy. I wasn’t angry, I wasn’t upset. It was just, wow, this is just wonderful, that I can live the rest of my life like this. Two weeks later, the man I’m married to right now showed up, who really was, on some level, vibrating at that same frequency. Obviously he was desirous of a relationship, but he didn’t come with a lot of missing pieces. So it was pretty happy. And that surrender was really kind of awe-inspiring, because I said, oh, universe, look what you just did. If you get out of your own way, the universe does its best work.

So I think the biggest reason a lot of people have a hard time receiving love has to do with some kind of guilt. Do you think when they do their past life regression, they’re really getting clear on where that soul origination point was, where that guilt spilled forth into other lifetimes?

Mira Kelley: Very much so, definitely. People usually talk about hate being the opposite of love. It’s not, because in hate what you’re saying is: you should be loving me. I feel the pain of you being disconnected from me and not loving me, right? That’s what a teenager is saying to their parents when they say, “I hate you.” But the true opposite of love is actually guilt, because in that guilt we’re saying: I’m not worthy of that which is already my essence. I’m not worthy of receiving the fullness of myself. And so yes, I agree with you that guilt is something we can so easily remove and let go of, and then open our arms like a little kid. Just like little babies, who are so ready and willing and able to be loved, we can return ourselves to that state of just owning our lovability, which ultimately is not very hard.

Johanna Carroll: I’m really curious: when people are doing regression, do we reincarnate into the same group of people that we had a past life experience with? And maybe there’s some karma, which to me is just unfinished business that we need to complete. What does that look like? What is your experience with that?

Mira Kelley: Yes, people often tell me stories like: here’s my husband, and he’s my partner in this life too. And here’s my child, who was my [unclear] in this other life. So the idea is that we connect with those lives where our connection is relevant to what we’re going through, and people become aware of the connections we’ve had with those souls in other lifetimes. And of course, love always continues to bring us together, life after life, just because it’s so good to be together.

Johanna Carroll: Yeah. And I think a lot of lifetimes may not have been bad. You may just want to push the repeat button on something really good. So for those of you who are listening, we have been speaking with Mira Kelley today. She is really amazing with her past life regression work. She’s well known around the globe, and her book is called Beyond Past Lives. You can find her on amazon.com, and you can find her once again at her website, which is M-I-R-A-K-E-L-L-E-Y dot com. So Mira, we want to thank you for being here, and hopefully we’ll have you back again and we’ll talk more about past lives. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Mira Kelley: Thank you for having me. I loved our conversation.

Johanna Carroll: Me too. So this is Johanna Carroll. We’re on the X-Zone Broadcast Network, and we want you to know that Dialogue with Divinity has been on the air for nine years, and we’re so thrilled to be part of this network. [Network and host announcements omitted.] We want to thank you very much for listening. Please join us again, and make sure you check out the X-Zone Broadcast Network, because it has a lot to offer you for your heart and soul. Sending your heart a hug, and thanking you so much for joining us today. Many blessings to you and your world.